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Blues Talk TV - Episode 382

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This week Jason and Dave preview Leinster's Rainbow Cup opener against Munster in the RDS and discuss the current focus on Women's Rugby in general and the Irish Women's team in particular

I was with Sixditiono ve Okagan Davimyself are going to look forward to Menster's, match against monster in therainbow coup and, of course, the other games and that first rand of fixeresand we're going to look back over Arelandsr to Feac against France andthe Ladies International, and maybe talk more generally about women's rubby,Dave, catmake or so John can't make us make it tonight because he is going ona tour of the Cardiv Blue Stadium at the moment anyway. So so look t the rainbow COP is startin.Unfortunately, the sed African teams had to pull out for Zomle, covid and quarantining, and allthat- and you know like it's easy for us to t thow stones Av soff like I waswatching a podcast there with the new O newstalk off the ball and they hadroyol Caneran and he was you know quite dismissed of IALL. You know complaining. There wasno websites whos very little enthusiasm for this competition etc. But, like youknow, there was a press release saying that they exhausted that they workdentirely tirelessly trying to guess a resolution to it and they couldn't.They were just hit by brickwalls. Like there's, you know thousands of peoplebeing affected by Covid like it's, not just an easy fix to say: Oh fly them todo by or play the matches in Spain or whatever you can just do that. So No, Idon't know, but I really should I don't know if he I devity much. You watchesthis alob. No one else was but Rori. I don't know if you's noticed, butthere's a kind of a thing out. There called a global pandemic and it'splaying Havok with a lot of stuff, including Sports Maye. Maybe should Idon't know, read a newspaper or something at the end of the day it was at the endof the day. There was nothing they could do. I disagree with him about INTUSASMTherewas, huge enthusiasm for it in terms of the idea of a of the northseust Alement of it, the Sain African teams. Now that's been kaibashed by thepandemics and there's not t anyng one could do about. So it is a bit disingenuous to say thatthere's no no on tosthaasm. First, there's no entusaasm for it now, but nothat's not true. There's a the amount of Entusiam for has dropped off nowthat that the Sain African element isn't there, but when the when the setup the announcement that Sid affriis joining the pro sixteen was actuallymassively wildly welcomed by by Rubby Fanson N in this part of the world inall of the the caltic lands, because it's it's a great solut, it's somethingthat will raise the profile, raise the standard and you know, raisedthei viability financially of our competition. So I to say: There's noone Teseism, forI is just ingenuous. I mean okay, look we're playing monster Saturday for what this fifth time andless EW year yeah I mean that's a lot andfamiliarihy does brinth a certain amount of content, and you know what day is a Tuesday almost vay amonster? That's that's fair enough. I can understand that. But this is what we're left and I mean theerup thewere to choices this or just pack up Welwe Gnto, just pack up, but we hadthis. We had the choice last e this time last year, yeah they can't selleverything right yeah and we want to go back class. No, I mean you know.nopeople people need some joy in their lifes they're going through. You knowtough times it' hard to for for everybody, and you can get a itle bitof distraction by watching a rogbe Ma to herd an match. Socceryeah matth whatever, like that's what you know, that kind of brings a bit of color to our day like we're kind of ingroundhug day here so yeah. That's it exactly. I mean I've seen I mean therar suggestions. There have been suggestions, not necessarily will besend fit fut to do with sports in general, buts for people gettingvaccinated, and why should they junk the Q and All that ind to certain said?I can understand that the thing behind Ta book you know we'reall stuck in luckdown situation and you know there are Massiv concerns outthere about people's mental health about you know just a general sense ofbleakness and omly that's settling over everyone, and the only thing, as yousay, the brings people little bit of joy. Little Bit of relief is watchingsports, whether it's whatever sport. It is watching. You know a good drama ontelevision, you know so the idea or listen to an albumet. So the idea thatthe people who are kind of keeping us go- and I mean yes, okay, the healthservices, a and headworkers and now that, but the other people are keepingus going if you'r like the soft power,...

...that's keeping us going is is sports.It is. It is entertainment on television, it is music, so those thosethings are kind of essential to so the idea is kind of the idea isn't asridiculous as people made out made it out to be, but yeah absolutely. We doneed to. I mean, okay, what else we we do, Amout, O Saturanight. Okay, we might complain about Goi Te Monster Again, but at the sametime at least we have a game against monster to the POTA yeah. Well least, you can coul be amonster and you could be going to go wit, playing lenster again yeah YeahBel, I o. What I'm talking about Jus S is is the the idea of familiaritybreeding born? Oh absolutely, but I'm just saying Heati if you're not goingto be as bored as if you're sitting watching fucking Meruns of Anton Dal.Oh absolutely but point is thotg M. poor monster frands are siting, go ohshit. We've got blenster again, Yeah Beth! Well, I E N One has to admiretheir optimism, so they'll, probably sugget they', probably don into thisthinking. This is our chance. We've turned the corner exactly well, but Imean like there is kind of criticism of the organizers intoto far as they didquit short the original yeahwell season and Lo kindsights brilliant. You know we thatwe'd have this competition with thefor new stet africandeems in and e, be all Honky, Dory and they'd come up hereor week ago down there. Unfortunately, that didn't work out, but they kind ofmade that decision and it's easy to kind of criticize and be a hurler onthe ditch but like they have to make that decision and I think there's theother side of the coin. supersports were going to pay six million quids,which essentially means each union got Gosh, two million so minsteras tomonster and conect all about half million, which probably works out. The you know pain for the salaries for allof the lads in all of the Academies Yeh so like who else is going to pay for it?Because you know m money is wer running quite tin, underground in professionalsports and particularly Ruby, because we don't have their the pulling powerin thats. You know Sinraamadrid or Tolkom hots burst have an this, meaningit Oto simptingonowel. I just I just jus nfaetious, but, like you know Imean we don't have the kind of cash that premier league teams or Ra Madridsand Barcelor, not ers. We don't even have to kind of catch E. Shefferdunited, have no you're right. Mind sets ten times over absolutely like you know,so you know things are kind of tict Tor, letting people go in the IRFU and allthe rast. We all sadly know those stories, but like so this money was needed. They Hade toget this competition runim and thankfully I believe that money hasn'tbeen paid. So you know we're kind of fortunate thatthey, the Sout African TV company kind of cuffed up because they probablymight have had an opportunity to get out of us, and we have. We have theadvantage as well like I don't know how many people watch it. I don't think alot of people. I thecide of the word, watch it, but I love watching the corrycop ev got a history to no, it has yeah. Sowhat we have now, as as part of our you know, certainly okay, we're not going to beplaynin about as part as our competition is. We get to see CurryCook teams, Curry Cup Games with super rugby teams- yeah that'll be quite entertaining yeah,it's look, all they can do is is their best. Imean, like you, were saying like that money. That's coming in right, like allof the prv provinces and the union have had to you, know: Furlou Staff, TATstaff go, and the thing is at the end of this when this is all over andeverything kind gets back to back to normal. Those people, hopefully, willall be taken back on, but in order for them to be taken back on, there has tobe an organization to take them back on, and that's why I stuff like this is soimportant, because if the unions ar tif the brags can justkeep keep kicking over until we get back to you know fans in the ground.However, it's done whatever way, then at least ther'll be something forpeople to get back to Y A it's Butom. So anyway, we play monster on Saturday.As you said, it's a fifth, a fifth outing with them. Since we returned lasen was ovos September yeah. I mean it's hard to kind of gauge whatteam we're going to put op like I was just kind of you know going through theselection process today. In my mind, and I'm guessing like they're going toplay the fellows, who are just coming back in from injury so generallyspeaking, thos thats never hard fast Roug, but the guys that they do put upin front of the the press. Pack generally Aare going to PLAC OI saw scapenny wasqueeled Outso, it's good to see him...

...back tlike. He was hout for a month,maybe with his hand, injury. So you know I'm sure fellaws I can I'd say at the start of the season andwhere he is now it' say he's kind of probably progressed further than hethought he was going to be down. The path of his career was interesting tohear him say in the in his presser that he looked to Sean O'Brian and he waskind of staying. How much he kind of trying to model his game. Ancono'Brinand Tha Jahn have been big influence on them, even when they were trainingtogether. You know when Shaen played for Lantto Wies, which is great to hearI mean it's fir. I love hearing those stories that you know Wewe all her, theOderof, the upsite of that with the Micol mcoaway and Bin, a cplete bastardto Doniko Calan when he was coming true. You know, but it's great to hear thatyou've got Tese bellows who paid for lines playd, fifty or sixty times forourland. One European cups don't need to prove anything to anyone or willingto impart the knowledge to the younger kid comend through. I absolutely lovehere here and that yeah it speaks. It speaks to the culture within the withinthe leserdressing room that you know the e. There are no thei mean I mean in Faris Mit Goi recalwas a nice guy. He was doing it the way it was dawn, ind monster and the way itwas Dong to him. They had a very gereminian system yeah, so he was justplaying his pack, for you know no doubt for because he thought that's whatwould be bad for Donia kind of thing, but at the same time I'm not entirelysure that that works o an certainly wouldn't work in the lenser context.The way that the way, the more clie just system that W that that that' culture, that's in the Lanserdressrom,seems to work better for it and scuppenny is, is e Laty Sicipianer, youan seee in the way he place, I mean, like you were saying like he wasprobably thinking at the at the beginning, O F of the season. You knowyou know, get a good run of a pro fourteen game to maybe be involved abit for Europe, a and I'll Beo, maybe even just getconsidered for Europe, whereas now he'DB he' be considered. You know oneof the the guys who be unlucky to be left out, and I tell you Haby, you knowAr Zan, for if we do make that spacific island store, I say beards on to go sothere's an Irish cap on the on the horizon from Yeah Sien. There's a lotof talk about what the team might be or what the team will be, what the teamshould be even as evere. We have no idea becausestewent and Leo do it their own way. I imagine that they'll do that. It wiltbe widely different in terms of profile, although the names may be different tothe team that was picked to play them the last time in that to be a mix of alle, guys guys coming back from H,injury in the younger guys a but there's bit some big names coming backin of injury like you got ring rose, he's meant to be Dar and thereabout Daras is coming backfrom his concusion. James Ryn will conners. You know so, like that's. That's forpretty big names, that's yeah, mejust OL would, you know, be incontention forStartman Arland game. If there was one tomorrow and Weve obby like I thoughtit was interesting. The language as well. That's Leo Colum was using inrelation to sexton very much playing down his chances and I'm sure it gavehim. It was almost as though it was. It gave Colin a perfect outh. I'm notrushing sexton back, even if he's not fit for the semifinal without rushingthem back. You know: We've got history of of former players, who've sufferedbad concuessions and you know we had to end her career arily. He mentioned Kevin or Locklan, they mentioned foguty. You know so like obviously, butno pressure, an sex, an at alto, probably nicely kind of saying. How canI make sure that sexons rested for this game without drawn too much higher, foryou never play or good players in the no in the localter Gerbis E, I say sexis nailed on for the game against Lavochel, yeah, yeah, of course, yeah.So it'l be interesting. To see I mean it. The narrative for these Games isbecoming. You are very familiar. You can nearly write it yourself in that a much as moner record. This isa good chance to take or sone I teas on is Hant to probably right. We do haveour eyes on other prizes. This is not our primary competition, so oursecondary competition, but it could for them. It could be twould, be importantto get some silveway ounder the belts because you have to start somewhere, sothe they'll be gone ar guns blazing for this game, whether those guns are beingoff is questionable, but they'll, certainly I'd, say, pick the strongestteam available to them. Well, I mean like if they are a club of ofintegritys e kind of know what they are...

...in fact Ma Mas a matc not sayingthey're, not like they have to give their forto comma star players. Themurrays Omaanees CJ's an opportunity to have one last Horra to get selected forthe lines, so they kind of owe us to to those players to be. You know O so welland good tol give F casy some Gametime, but reality is he's not going to get onthe lines: Tour and Moralym Miht, very mice, and and likeyou know, I like I'm sure that they want to give those lads as big anopportunity to impress because because it's a tertary competition, yeah and exactly- and you know it's it's kind of it's kind of it's- I don'tknow Ayer's an owness- an the clubs to kind of provide that platform to to theplayers. TTO impress like one lad, I mean we have to mention. Benti, haskind of confirmed what we are kind of, sadly suspected was going to happen,but I mean I just was looking at some of his starts. He came to the club andtwire wo. thousandand twelve played nine seasons with us. One hundred andfifty five caps. Surprise me when it said these coreseven tries can't really remember too many of them, but no doubt they werethinking ran a grand total of Steven inches for those trighes yeahyeah. He got four ourand caps as well. I mean I thought he was very harshlytreated when he tn t star today Di you know he was on a Hidento othing,there's a hurly Hir's a few slitters outside under the you know, on thepitch and down and Carton House and by the way you're starting again saidAfrica before you before, you've even moved into your apartment, or you hoseor whatever you know like he joined it. One of those Irelandevery couple of years can be guaranteed to go through a tight head crisis happens every couple O years. Regularis clockwork Cardin to go through tidag crisis and he came over to Lenstrit, basicallyon a development contract, no nothing more than that and landed in Doblin in the middle of atight head crisis, and there was virtually the. I thinkthere were two tight heads fit the comfe one started, and then he sat inthe bench like he came Oun against said African An and won that penalty with his first piece of piece of play. So you know he didn't and he wasn't ready for that level ofcompetition at that time. He wasn't brought in to play at thatlevel of e competition at that time. So he got. He got kind of hung out to drive by theexpectations when the expectations didn't reallymatch the reality. Now over the course of the next two or three years het, hebuilt himself open to that player, so that Bi, you know twen. I would. Iwould have considered a unfortunate that have been in the mix for morearland games in the last number of years, because he's certainly been asuperb. I mean we'd, be very fortunate. Actually, in our e he reached is peakas a player at the opposite timeis with Ireland in the opposite positionto which he arrived. In that we had no TYPEC crisis, we had tight excellenttightheads coming out of our ears at that point, and I was very unfortunatein that regard. A all inetansitaon John Af, an called son, the best herrd choice tight head in theworld, and you know it that Mak may sound like you're damningthem with with with fade praise. But if you look ath the two tiged heads whoare ahead of Ham aget in your in Lenster, then you doo with the qualtityof tigtheads that are available in Europe and H. I mean he's operating onthat level. Now my ton Lik fit faint praise, but it isactually Considerg. My praise I mean, I think he's been. I mean, do you everworry when vanty goes? It starts starts O game for US klocking down. That'sfrom never never have a problem with he's a brilliant crimmager and he hasbeen braited first and I always say it's not your rubby hand shows it's notyour James Rynes and it's not your Chine sexen that win pro fourteens Ja,Michael Bentson, your rust malonies and the young guys who are coming throughND and the h. If you like t e the good clubmen they're, the guys who win yourpro fourteens, and so we've won. Four Protei for Prot four proteins for profourteens in ar in Hei haven't had four proteins in my life. We we've won four fourteen in a row and alot of that is down to you know he has a serious shoulder in each of those. Hedos like again looking at his at his metal holethat he's Gott he's got sixPropro, twelve fourteen to take back to New Zealand, ehind Nickin Cup, and it'san a challenge cup I'd like okay. He mightn't have started in the final, andyou know in those in Bibio, for example,...

...but he he contributed significantly andas a reason why tyg, ferlong and porter are good ties and props is becausethey've got somebody behind it them pushing them on to get the very besthemselves yeah keepin standard up like if they knew that there was JasonCampbell was, was tight head behind them just mean they know that theydon't need to be under a game every day, because the guybe the third choice is a Bozo. So you know to have someone like benty. As yousaid, you o. Some of them are brilliantly ther. When you said Tha, hewas a great club man and you can't really ask somebody that giveseverything is prepared to play in those minor games when the spot lights on. When there'snot fiftyzerd people or you know, it's live on bt or spy. Like he's, you know,he's the he lad. That's whate tog games, againt abray and against scarlets,whatever on a west West Friday night in the ords. When it's kind of mundane-and you know he didn't certainly didn't tat's Hinins Rop- let's stand atd stropor you know, Tro is his toys, age, the Pram and I played for the highlandersor I was an Irish international once and I'm reduced to this. You know he th.He was ultra professional, an yes, you know, I'm sure speak F yourself, but weobviously an all of us an Blu tar questions and a I know. Lenstar fanswish him the very best withself and his wife and his two kids to very wit frybest for his future when they, when they move back to the farm in NewZealand, yeah hes he's been a great servant. Yeah O you know, talken oftitads, and I mentioned them earlier like for I'm still concerned, thefurlongs contract hasn't been sourteout. I thought it would have been. You knowwe got all of the Lenster ones out of the way last week and Wene now kind ofhiten and of April and togs still not signed UPF, I'm sure it will be, butI'm just just wanted to be done and those s anyou know. I don't really don't like I, I don't make it when these things dragon, because the more the longer it takes a more opportunity is for abetter bit yeah. Well, like I mean just you, don'twant like sort of sharks with blood in the water. Isn't at you mow an they go.I don't know I'm just that's a rassing metro or just thinking.Oh there's re. Maybe if we are from a million a year, would you come to us?Don't want that to happen. Cearly Bot, the thing but fernois he's averybe, very attractive player to a wide variety of clubs, because he's notjust a scrummaging proper and he's not just a bar playing prop he's. Actually,you can do both with equal facility and the fact that he's o Blidy God, youknow, he's- got a very high profile paid for the mines. Obviously you knowand then, even as it cameos Plang for Areland and six nations this year, TeLook, you know, or even shrugging off th kwes that game that time, that hekind of just thre three of the moute, so of amatcho man, randy savage buddy check and followed up by a little Tikaneli fast shoe shuffle to be peoplelike you know, he's kind of well known and you just want him signed up and Ge,give him Treata deal and he sign you e them yeah, but, like I hope, the IRF.You have learned from their lesson of fhotever seven years to go with Sexton,give your best player the biggest contracts and get a hom with us andstop haggling over. You know, you know a few grands like Iapprecitiate that the money isn't as flu lock, Buh Getita, pretty big kick in the mads. If your highest profile, mayor, does'nDRESIGN, because they've signed everyone else and it's you know I I gat anyone whowas looking for a deal, it's a pretty position, but its the tie had prop. Imean after after after ID haves and scrimouse o after it haves an Ansromas,I mean Ti, had props ar some of the highest pay players in world rul be because good ones are so rare. If onlyI had of known bastave IGNOPRC Lor a kept going yeah less time in the pollmore time on the page. Well, yeah Noei mean hthatthat's it youknow he's I'm sure he knows what his value is andI'm sure Yeu want. Even even in these times I'm sure he knows what his valueis in emn he wants to, he wants to achieve it, and if he doesn't, Iguarantee her there's plenty out there that will yeah yeah wel look at I mean we don'tknow what what eiter team is going to be. We don't know how I mean ICOM,malents te point of view. You've got to...

...say it's kind of nearly the ideal fixturethat they want. They want someone who's going to be gunning for them. We don'twant Annarin and he injuries clearly, but like this is got to be a betterfixture where we can. If we lose it's, not theend of the world, you know even less so down an approtwelve game, because really, if you win the or if you lose the Rainbow Cup, Idon't think the coaches are going to be sacked. WETBOIT gives it gives us anopportunity to bring some players back that have beenout showk like from their point of view, showcase there like for in Taris. Youknow it wasn't that long ago we were saying God tars could be on the line toLoians Plang, and then he gets injured. Then his replacement CONAN comes inplays brilliantly and you're kind of going well, he couldbe Survisein Tis Tas if e's I yeah, but I'm still not going to risk daris in ain a Higneckand Cup. Semifinal I mean he's only played you know a few minutesagainst monster in that at like so he's bubbly, Gon and Saing. Actually, I'mready to rock and bring it on which is great for him, and the great thing isbecause it's the game against monster and the right of o all the Coas withthat is every player on each on. Both teamswill be well fired up for, but at the end of the day, if, if lands ere lose, the playerswon't spend our Sunday in bad crine, hmm, but you cas hia to the competitionyeah and but like are two kind of two of too very important. Well, theynon. All players are important. The two particular payers were very importantto SAR sexton whoh. I don't think Wuld blay their kind of Hintin, as is nowegiving him time to orace. I don't think you played ir and James Low and I'm not sure about James Low, but in previous matches, when Lenster Havplayed they've seen to got a reaction from both those lads to wind them up like and iokay fine. But I don't want to be in a situation whereJames low gets bloody red card, which are, you know, theyr far morecommonplace than they were Oh yeah five years ago. Right and I don't want- II'd hate- to see a situen. You know where likelihood, based on our last couple ofbig games and selections for those for those for the the round of sixteen andthe quarterfine of James Lowas waswas starting on the wing, and I don't wanta situation where, if Colam has penciled in his team for next week andhe's got Jame's low dance start to play a fourteen and also play againstmonster and, let's say Conway Destardes- to give a better retribution andthere's he a diggin match and all of a sudden. You Know Lo decides toretaliate and he's gets te Red card and is for three weeks, and I don't think Imean he got that red cuy at that time, but that was one of those you know one of those ones to were where theraft was like. Well, it wasn't on purpose, but I've got no choice. I haveto send you up yeah, so that could happen, but that could happen to anyone.That's that wasn't a Jadge lowthing, but James Low does annoy them immensely.No, but he does it by. You know: Ben, better, no yeah, but don't forgetlike whatever about the players. He also annoys their fans because heultimately takes a position that they think that they've got equally good. Ifnot beter players like they, you know back here years ago. They couldn'treally have a go because their centers were eight, not ars qualified and bewere never as good as O driscal intiracy. But when it came to guide andas a fifty fifty decision, you know when you're talking about whether it'sgoing back to you know Reggie Carrager, againt, champagn there, you goright orno I'm talking more someone, that's going to be competing in an Irish n fortwo Irish sponts, so the they were competing. Remember Shampaine was hewas very unfortunate. I mean he was: U We Talwas ualified. I know he was Irish.He was he washe was Irish by citizenship. Right, okay, he was, hewas. You know the turn best foll back in Ireland yeah the two in front of them wereGarven Demsey and Jordan. Murphy. I mean he was the Michael Bent of fullback Roald if you like, but they couldn't understand how Champe,how the pickure of a depsy an joy an,...

...but they couldn't understand how shampehow the pickur of a Demsey and Jordan Murphy had a shon. No, but I wasactually more thinking of say I remember back in the foot and mouthmatch against Scotland. You know one tre where, where Easterby came in inplace a stringer and there was a cauater assassination job done onEasterby, because how there's somebody who'll be saying, fifty fifty withstringer could possibly get his position and you know, and then Yeu could look at sosomeone like Reggie Carrigan versus Marcus Horn, or you know, God forbid.Somebody O take Axel Foli's position at number age, whether it was victor, Costolo or SOM. You know like they never were given full creditof how good the Lenster players were, because they dared had the tomeritoryto take the position of a amolt monster legend, and it's the same. It's the same with lowthat James Low comes in and he's you know, he's not good enough andimmediately has one bad game for Irland. I not good enough, not good at thatstandard, so the alternative bring in the monster that comeaway or bring theMonstlad arrals back into the team there, because you know your Lenster Tad's, not thatnot that up to there are certlimentmental in gymnastic involvedin being a ONS friend, sometimes because you want the rst to be bothcomprised an charty of monster players whilst having no monster players on yeah. That's you want those two thingsat the same time, bause you don't Wat, you don't want your players going awayand getting hurt and at the same time you don't want anyone else play for it.Yeah. Well, we've all heard the shouts of Omand Monster during an hour andmatch so always surprises me. I think that might be just because they'reconfused right, maybe MI anyway there's just I just want to just talk about theold sarconics match, like some interesting selections for Ulsterstockdails back of fifteen o think is interesting, good news, dide and Henderson's back inthe second row. Yiah, an even better news is, will Adison, I think, he's asuper player yeah therblihte of to play injury. He believe it or not hasn'tplayed since January two tsdandtwenty, so it's fifteen months. Is it reallythat Lonsensi yeah fifteen months ince ois boots, so he's adound the bench? Soit's delighted to hear about him, but I also heard that Jack mcgra, like I didn't know what was happeningwith him. Like honesty, tjis didn't know, I washopeung. Everything was okay and all refects with him, but he's actually hasthe same injury that cholnol Brian has that e's getting his hip surfast yeah,soouch yeah, so heaand, that's a very devilitating injury, very deevi yeah. So that's like Handy Murray, had thatand he was I like: a Boto'Brian and Murray Wer onthe verge of retirement yeah very closely. loally Pon and anextraordinary just comfort as well can imagine yeah. So that's what Jack has in store forhim over the summer, so he'll be the long road back for him now and an it explains how alines prop fell. AFF The radar and a you know a top middle pro fourteen club yeah. You know because it has the oneof the great mesries of the last two or three years is what the Bloy hashappened to Jack Mic. Grand that kind of ingry would explain it, but it's tnot something that happensover right. That's a that's a gradual development, his is, it is butlike. At least it'sit's te been diagnosed and there's a plan of attackin how to treat itself.Hopefully you know he comes back better and stronger whenever you woure,whenever he returns it's an interesting alsetin because they decided to dropwon now if the dropter, the INJRE R te one, the better players, Tho SeesonPassone, the perhaps when the players Tha seasons, Michael Lary, a fallbackyeah and it doesn't appear to be seiting in the squad- enjoy o sohe's onther bedch. But youknow, I suppose, to feel he need to rest.Maybe maybe- and I also Jorda Murphys, not unde, twenty three, which I wassurprised by too yeah, considering that they've less Catzia go back to SouthAfrica mearly or early. So again, I'm guessing it's it's notdropped. I presume it's rotation and in Aran you aleas put likean awful ot of hardyards for them this year and- and I mean Olster- haveobviously that...

...give me a semifinal against Leiester tocome next week and excuse me in the Challenge Cup so like they kind of havebigger fish to fry, whereas I got the imbression comics team wasmore of a a mishmash of some experience, gies, but a little bitmore or youth as well. In there yeah yeah it did it's. KINOF CONIS actually made a very goodsigning by the way over there did you see that yeah Mac Mahansoyeah? That's agood signing he's a good player. She in a play a couple of times you now just qualify the Patmy, which Ididn't realize it's quite a cool, hmm yeah, there's a big Ozzy influencethere. Now Thev Gosh Man, John Porch and Bernard Donald. In the back in theback line, yeah yea John Forch has been good signing for them, yeah very successful signing for them yeah. They just need to make sure thatJaman Papali he is, is not either taking quick top Angoesor getting himself rigged, gardens. Yeah likee I mean, but he's exciting towatch as well. It's yes yeah a! I mean you never know what your getig withlike. If he's Oul action he's a coaction yeah,that's a good way. Jus Says Yeah and Actually Iwas. So I was just Ho when Iwas going through and think God. They've got a very big as the influence.As I mentioned, they also have a very and I was looking they've got a MatthewBorke on the bench, but he's not he's not a he's. Not Ta Matcheu Berk he's not a back he's a prior frondrawer. So the olgimalty yeah. It's not it's notthe same as as a the leged Ma per but like ammyhorn, yeah yeah, so o many kids knocking around I mean Ido, O obby did. Did you get him intothe Clod? Yeah could do so, like obviously there's the other. Theother Rainbow Coop matches are going to be made up of mixtures of Welth, Darbys and SCAS Italian game. Sothey'll be EA, you know pretty much more of thesame and, like I can understand, you know the kind of the it's it's kind of quite repetitive, of what we've alreadyseen SOS. I can take roreo connors point that it's not very stimulating,but if the avacy of the set African teams had a been inest would have beenvery interested in sadly they're not but like we look forward to them nextyear. Our next season- and hopefully on, were CRI. I mean it was good to seethat Lenster have launched te season tickets, which means yeah Ey, must becha check your junk mail folowers folks, because th the email is out today. Yeah so and like I don't like, I know, ieve owespoke abated, but they did want to get government approval of lown twothousand people in if they were tested. I don't know how far down the road that is, but at leastit's been offered to the government might be yeah. Apparently they haven'tgot back, but I mean I don't think the government were going to get back byreturn o mail anyway, it's Ome. That's going to have to go through it yeah,but I donerif a number of hoops with six hundred cases today. I just don'tI'm guessing their priority, isn't going to be that yeah they're, probablyquite busy yeah, they might be, might be. We kind of touched on a plast week Dave and we kind of have kind of ran out of time, and we said wereturned to a now. I just I noticed there was a few people had had come:INE N, a Menster fans about it, so maybe it kind of simulated a little bitof thoughte and other people's mind, but we just wanted to twitch them withsomethin. We don't really talk about very often was the women's game, andyou know it was interesting, seeing it last week that there was you know itwas a lot of hypobitus and e lead up to us. There was no other Irish Ruby, matchis arm except the lad,ladies game and en sadly like they, they underperformed against France, butobviously France are very, very good side Bush. I say- and I say if youspoke to any woman e is play and they'd say that they lef put the letthemselves down but im sure they could have done a lot. They would have feltthey could have done it and played a lot better, bu O with the disipine.They can sider an awful lot of penalties, yeah which they did the weekpreviously as well. So it's something that they probably would have worked onand they get and they be unhappy to not iffict. I mean a lot of the estimation out there inthe general public, not necessarily people Ho winc fo it. The generalpublic, is okay. Orland, an France are pretty muchranked the same in world rugby, so in...

...the man's game, so in the women's game,they're, probably about the same as well, and they act. This is this: Is a new IRLAND teamhit's been rebuilding under a new coach since that, since the battle of twothousand and seventeen so AREHAV sliped down the worldrankings? France are quite close to the world top of the world rankings and thebiggest difference of all the biggest difference of Oll is that island,aameteur or Nanitaur team and franc ar a professional team, and that makes ahuge difference. I mean it makes a massive difference on a Monday morningwhen, when in the Jew gun has to go in and put on her scrubes o Working Hosian,Clara lawyers put on Hes scrubes and work in a hospital, and then when theFrench players go and get into the ice pats and get ready for a video session,you know it does. It does make a huge difference, but one thing one interesting thingthat came out of th. The conversation was how best to utilize or Haw tast, to promote the women's game in terms of the international team andis it does the? Does the women's team getvalue at Hav, been tied to men's team competitions and men's teamscompetitions patterns, or would they be better off with, with the with this, with thewomen's primary women's tournament been different than the Primary Man'stournament? And the answer is probably a bit of both because I'm looking atthe word, I'm I'm actually looking at the world women's Wer rankings rightnow and there are teams ind, the women's were on top tanded, the wonsWer recons that out it I mean all six nations teams are in the top ten of themen's world rankings, but there are teams and there's always talkeng aboutexpanding the sucations, bringing your Georgeas I pains or whatever, but Spainare actually in the top Tan in the world, racking them in the WORF Rakinste rank denine nine in the world. Reccinds Canada in the world rankingsan top Tanen wherever econs, USA or in the top Tan of the word Leck is so it'san opportunity to do two things. First of all, the six nations is the biggestroe tournament in the world. It provides opportunity and exposure andinterest that you're not going to get in a standarlong tournament. At the same time, there's no reason whythe six nations that participate in the Wimens to onwould have to be the same: six nations s in the manstormant or even limited tosix nations. The women's primary tournament could start before the men's.tooment finish after it. Take advantage of the opportunities demands, tournaments,provides them in terms of exposure and blow that by by by doubling up the game,so Ireland play itrally and the men are't enplayetlly in the women you knowand then Wen. You can also play Spain. You can also play Canada. You can altoplay USA, the Northern Hemisphere, if you like women's teams in the top ten and expandthe tournament and make it its own thing. Yeah Wer, like both. I think, though,like we saw what happened when when there was when Iren played Wales theweekend the lansto played exeter and the was probably a twenty minutes, half an hour wherethere was where the two mattes didn't clash, YEAand I've. No doubt that there was a huge number of people who were ready towatch the instrexite game. flicked onto the women's game watched it for fifteenminutes, saw this Ireland, where you know doing pretty well wit incomfortably and flicked O flicked over to Lenster, Exeter and Wat. I wonder if you had ave had a a reversal of that. I don't think therewould have been too many people that 'll say: Ohil watch the first fewminutes of the Lenster match and then I'll fick over it to the Lady's match.So you know, I personally think that you have this enormous world, so the biggest rugby competitionin World Ropi. Why? Why not utilize all of the marketing ave, like I don't knowwhether it still goes on, but certainly when I played there was lots of otherlike they're. Not they don't get any nosoriage, but you know the the army,the Irish army play against the the French or they used to the you know.There was like stup non agas, wn hats that doil rugby team plays against theYEA yeah. So like there's kind, there's a massive promotional and it yea soandt' kind of like a festival of Ruby. The sixit to six nations is and a farlunderplaying England, like I guarantee you there's you know, there's the Irishstudents probably pay they did my day anyway. The AR students played theEnglish students andthe,...

...so it wasn't just the under s and thewomen, and you know that the ones that are ontelly does you know a Miriad of of oter sport and teams. Soit's like why not be involved in mass, and you know like they do get their slash on on TV. You know and like we saw sort of when you've gotit when you've got a floating, voture ofof a TV viewer. You know like it'sbrand, if you, if you go a and you say well, I'm going to go and watch old, Belvedere against ul bows. Ladies Team, this weekendthat's fair play. I wouldn't think, as I wouldn't think, there's more than afew hundred of those and put is a few hundred thousand thatare watching Ruby, UN telly and if you've got them for sa well e No wothematch Ohn. I watched the ladies game. E might actually win a few people overyeah. Well, I'm always convinced that anyone who watch that women's team willfollow it because Du because the nature of the players invorved in the effortthat goes into it. It does remind me an awful lot of you know the game when, before it became, I mean we haven't reached superleagueelem levels yet, but I mean D es thees, there's more of a purity to the women'sgame in many ways in the rist of the man's game. But if you've got, I mean you've got asix nations weekend. That's three: you've got a Friday night Saturday andSunday for fixtures. You've got three teams: You've got theOder train. You got the Meson between these the women, six nation, the women'senior national team in the Mensi inernational team, so yo you've gotthree days. Each team can only play a one day. So what that means is you canput all those three. You can put those three games on yea and it's absolutely and cover theand cover them in full. But I'd like to see is an a company and it's Nook as amillion other things or ound, with Dhe structure of women ill be the papers are for O it Loe I'd love tosee it a women's on the tents tournament yeah but, like I mean, asyou know, Dav- and I probably said it a couple of times- and here I'm Ivolved,wo coach on my daughter's team and, like we started off three years ago,down coo mine and we had like some days. We had fixedthit Tus, a picture, our coaches, whats AP Group of our first session, andthere was like six kids there and you know well say this time. Last year we had ithink, there was hundred and twentydown training, and do you get a bump o you get a bump after the six nations?No, we our biggest bump was we got it. The thing it's like. There's the IU and Lenster Rogby andslish. The IFU have been fantastic for us, don't know what they do in otherclubs. I can untalk about Posan cool mind. They. They select a certain number ofclubs to participate in a a prom called, give usa try and they. So we did this. We ran us, Sowen Wuhave been, it would have been the summer of two thos and nineteen wouldhave been the first time that we did Tis and we got huge numbers. Then wedid is Monday nights. We kind of skated around the kind of catchment area. Ga was played on a different day. Therewas soccer, was playig in the different days Af. This did was a littleopportunity for us to go Monday nights IAND. We when we had our originaltraining sessions with six kids that was on a Saturday afternoon. So youknow there was other sports to was other commitments: Parents O bringingthe kids swimming horseriding family time. Whatever. Anyway, we changed toMonday's Gos, huge numbers down there. We did a lot of publicity. Somebody inthe club works for Google. He gave us, they get a free advertising with aGoogle AF few hundred quith every month they were putting local ads ouse in ingover with that. So, anyway, by Hooko by Crook, we got great numbers down:Kids Wearing sacer jerseys rugby jerseys, Ga Jerseys Al Willing to FEC cames, give it o go,try to make it fun for them want him to come back. You know we all sort ofstress the emphasis on on having having Foln, because he really you're kind ofsuccessful if the kids come back, whether it's next session or the nextseason- and you know but you're- trying to get thekids and you're trying to teach them basic skills, and I think, like lookingas say from from our kids, that we'recoaching to say the INATIONAL team, only three kids on ecentry three ofthose women had played and mini's rugby. So the skills thatyou I am probably most, of the people...

...who are watching or listening to this when we started playing Rubias aschildren, we instinctibly learned how to pass theball. Kick the ball catch the ball? How to make tackle where to stand? Wherenot to stand where to you know where to be in a certain pysition R ina certain moment and time in the game. You know where to drop back or to go upin a line, and you these become instinctive to you, but it's very hardwhen you say to somebody: Who's used to playing basketball, GAA soccer atletics ar swimming or whatever theirback. Whatever the background of the individual person or a woman is you've, got to think differently nowand you've got to think like a rugby player, it's so hard to Trai, like Yit,could be the best at leaving the world. You could run. You know eleven secondsfor a hundred meters or a lift two hundred Kila whatever you know, butit's all of the mental skills that you've learnt as a player that you'velearned because of your tenthousand hours of doing it from when Youre Eisehand, Twele Forteen, and it's, I think, that's the biggest deficit, that's theskills deficit and it not it's the self skills, it's it's knowing where to instinctive skills, instinctiveskills, it's like we can all Supot, because you teach any person how toscrummage how to lift and line out how to rock out omoth. But it's justknowing where to stand in certain situations. How to read the gamebecause you've seen you can your brain is the biggest andfastest computer that there is and it can instinctively go back. You knowfifteen years ago to a match. You would have played as a kid and remember thissituation and then slaught in and say that happene and it's going to happenagain and I'm goingto and you look at some of the best players like Li eOdrisca, or you mentioned Gerven Dempsey, how many times a the Bal banson Gervan dempty. He could probably caute them on one hand, because he knewwhere that ball was going to be kicked and inevitably he was underneath us and,like you can't coach that that is something that you learn: overplayingthe game. For you know ten, fifteen years before youguess and like you know again, I think I mentioned this and you know: We've Laressimal Dune inhas been fantastic for us in creal, mind, she's, an Menster Roba developmentofficer in our area and she's been notin but brilliant, and the enthusiasmand the kids love her coming down. She Brings Down International. She broughtdown Lindsey piece. Just before the last luckdown and whenever it was October Nover, I can't remember so longago, but Lindsay Pek came down, and you know I said it to my wife like if she obby sounds very sexist. But ifshe was a man, she wuld be the most famous sports man in this country tohave played to on Oll Irlands, for Dublin, to have played intomationalsoccer and to master Basktbon to play into massion. Roby she'll be like she'd, be like more famous thanDavid Beckam hm like she would but like, and it's amazing that shes stillgoing on a forty, whatever one or forty or forty one years Ma. But the thing is that, like she only playeda handful of games before she goes an intonational cab and she was learningon the hoof and and I would still suggest that she hasn'tplayed enough matches. Even though she's frobably been blamed for fiveyears TBAT, she hasn't probably played anough roby matches to fully know whereto stand where to go in in certain situations. Because thisthing is not it's intuitive, it's yea. He just knowus S. Li rage there Lind Lindy, gets through on just onI'Myou, know sheer amounts of natural talent. It's interesting because I mean therear there are people having a quick fixers for our Tho a week for ochwomen's Rube and yes, the structures have to be in placed absolutely ahundred percent egree with that, but the the only if you like, ret long term fix that'sgoing to work is, like you say when kids pick up a ball at the age of six,seven, eight nine and then play the game for for ten or fifteen yearsbefore they reached the highest level. Because it's like you say it's e ten thousandhours yeah, but like there's, there's other throbes like aywe're, only seeingwe're only seein the first few players,...

...like you say three or four players:Yeah Women Throug who have Thas, but I that that'll need to be. You know we will only be successfulwhen it's there's only three players that camefrom a g or yeah basketball background and the other twenty of the twentythree have played Rub Rubi from when they were kids, but like it, the GRV.The encouraging thing is that say like we started ours three years ago. These other clubs aredoing great work. Like you know, we play them fairly whetver. You did obviously upuntol lockdown, but you know there was just Atonians barn halls CLONTARF. Theywere all in our kind of same North Metro area that we were all kind of incute with the Lik Wat, a team or club like gray stones, were way ahead of themarch they where they have an unbelievable amount of COMSMESI girls or women involved inther in their club. Far More than that and like they've cost sort of all agegroups, so theyre they're that little bit more advanced than Theos. Now we want to get to be thereand eventually, you know, have a team that will go in to play whether it's metro or but you're right.You need kind of to have an under tens, twelve ourteen sixteenn fot ore for t to really have enough women to choose from you need more clubs do ISS. Now theyare starting to do it, but they're ony at the infancy stages. We suppose the older alternasive is toget them from other sports, but then you're always going to be in thesituation we currently are now. What is the scales deficit unders? That inthuit,like Ey, said you know, we've got all of the everything can be coached and G, and ifyou, if you want to throw money at them and say well, you can be coached longer.That's grand Bush yeah, like I personally think. Ifyou've got I, if the RF YOU said, we've got a million quith, so we can eite paythe twenty carde. Thirty thirty women in the national squad and pay ther asalary, a good enough saly. But you know someone said Lik. Clermaloy is adoctor right, so she's going to be on a pretty good salary. She's Goinna haveto be she's not going to go she's not going to leave her job for filty Grans,like Dou, mean oggram might be attractive to someone ComminatitoCollege. It's the OL thing. You can't buill the parods in the top down yeah,you know, but the other thing is, but with the IRF you have to do an. Ipresume that th I mean I'm not Gongto say that I'm not going to side withrory or Kondor any heter, peopler plaing, what the IRF you have to do ona presenter Opanto its when those kids who started in the miis and a reachedhundred sixteen under eighteen. Whenever level, there has to be astructure, a competitive adult structure for them to go into whetherthat's metro lets your senior League, Al Orn League, that has to be sort ofthat has to be ready for them to go into so that their progression cancontinue without you know, kind of getting to the age of nineteen and Gon.Well, there's not really for me to play in now. Until I'm, you know in wetwentis whete're going to do no, no well. What A to say Wak out, you knowthat well like also but don't forguess like there is also an enormous drop off of young girls in sports. Oh, they ikethey hiss kind of fourteen sixteen and there like they're allergic to sports at'sEAND. It doesn't matter what shape the vall is they're just they don't want tobe involved in so like for me Gettn, my daughter and Lovan. That was what Iwanted to kind of counteract was that she was exposed to ruby and I don'tcare if she plays. I don't care if she turns on says Tad, I don't I'd ratherplay basketball, but fine ill, be the most enthusiastic basketball supporterwith her. But I wanted to give her theopportunity there was none and I said well like let's try and sort of out inour club- and you know like she's enjoys. She enjoys it when she's Donthat I'm sure it's going to be Fush fack but like that. But you know ATSJ.If you don't mind me assing, does you dos Co, Mine, R M inded, O eithe clubs,have a specific retantion policy or attention plan for that? If you likethat that fourteen o sixteen drop off well, we want we want to get sort oflike the shock on effect. You know, that's, we know what is going to bejust if you trol loadof the Monat, someone stick and some Morl go, and Ithat's really all we can do you. Can you can't force someone's arm Asayyou're going to play, and I don't know...

...you want them to be down in the clubbutlikebecause they enjoy it and at exactly exactly but like you know likeif you they from from a Lensto point of view, the pathway for the men's as true toschools right and thes SGIRLS that have been blame rugby for a hundred years,and you know they produce brilliant ready to ready to ready to goprofessional, robe players into the Linster Academy. But sadly, like there's a lot of thoseguys. I mean for every one player that goes to say, michaels and comes out theother end and joins Lenster Academy, There's probably twenty thirty forty lads that have beenplaying that just stop and go well, I'm not even playing. I have no interest.I've played Senior Cup and like it just was too much two intense to and I'mdone, and I don't want to play when I go to university or I don't want to don't want to join my local Robi cluband that's tem done and they don't play and, like you know you when I, when I played when you playy,played he probably played with fellows, who were twenty years older than youlike. There were forty year olds, knocking run to twentyyear olds because they loved it so much. I think those days are gone likethere's, no fortyeos its. Hardly anyone who's! U Know mid is still playing, soI like that. Talking to a guy. He says that he reckons that he that theseniors like the will debast or whatever you recons, that they're gonnahave to start at Turkey. Yeah Yeah. You know that's the way. It is ID like here's, a question. We talk about Wematalk about the Paralys, I mean obviously lesser at the school set, theschools progression path. I sorry I was just Goingna just going to fish my goindam GOBYK, but there's no there's no schools playing robe, like you mightguess like say my kids in Myncicle. So that's actually the question I wasGointo. Ask Okay on yet yeah yeah! So, like you know, say Sam Briges, Ga now,when she's in the primary school there it's in preduce ga will come in andthey would do kind of a demo one hour a week and they play they getskills of catching and kicking and passing for Ga- and you know there was talk ofthis- of the Lenstar development of just going into the schools and N, butit's kind of like a Damo. It's part of their sort of their P. You knowtatermorenanthing yeah, so it's not really like by what you would think of o have a say, a extra curricular as itwas when I was in school that you, you know you might, I dou know do pressups or whatever in a p class, but on a Wednesday afternoon you went out andyou played you are. You were like a twarm of beesaround honey possand, you swarmed here there in Yonder, following a Roi Bollaround or Thur Tos oher fellows plane, you know ga or soccer or tennis orquick or whatever they were into. They were playing befor us. It was, you know,learning to when you're sort of nine years of agelearn them. How to play. Ropy very had a very sort of you know, infantile level, but that kind of gaveyou the stepping stones to go up through.As you got older to play, you know, play the same infetil level, just wit,Harry''s eye yeah. So, like you know, but I meanlike that's: Go pathway isn't there for the girls, so we have ther has to bethe clubs there need to take that over and like that's basic when we playedtwenty thirty years ago, who was far more people plains plain clob bropedunder his Ne siters opportunities, for you know women's Rube to fill some ofthe void left by I mean you know yeah I saw something the black wock of ahundred and fifty playing members like Jesus mean that's not many hay members,OOne of the most tameo were the most famous yeah and whereas, if you saywell, it's going to be another ty teday girls coming down a women from the dam,like surely they're only too happy to guess few more gnts at the bar after after a match- oryou know, Rei, remember talking to amark about that. Remember thet was theMILTIARD merger between Black Rock and Deulerand cooler, and I was I was happing to guy for Black Rak mark in Amarcaes. Heta on the Pirstherbeside Yeah. I sayhow many members o you guys have,and he says: We've wehave a hundred and fifty playn members. I jus how many thecooler had yo an two thousand yeah yeah, absolutely absolutely and like you'vegot other you've got ga clubs, like I...

...mean you know we're delighe withourselves having you know a hundred and odd girls and great great growth rateover the last couple F year, but it pales into insignificance when you seeand it's Brilinti cy but, like you know, from our local area, bridgit orCastnaga have literally hundreds of kids every weekend like and it's greatthat the kids are being catered for and I've put like personally I want, or I want Ruby to benumber one sport in this country. That's my goal. I don't thin everhappend, but that's what I wanted to be. I want everyone to be talking everyminute of every day about rougby and like no one to never hear about socceragain or ga pus like that's what I want to happen, but you know and that's whatbut y have a passion that I want to drive that and like. If I get to you know as to our club having ahundred kids ratter than Tan ten kids playing with Gan in the girls sem,that's that's why we're going to you know going to Goto Dria like next year,it's going to be two hundred and the year afters going to be three hundredand we just get more coaches in and if means we're going to have a problemwith the commititee on. Where do we have the space? That's a that's a greatargument we're going to have, and if means lease in the pitchure going toanother bitch, so beos Wedos but like that's. Our goal is back up to thebackpitch and Como community school. If you're exactly exactly but I mean butlike sory, just going back up back on to our little discussion and this likeso for schools- don't have it. Clubs have to come in, but they do your ahundred percent right. They do need, like we kind of, are just shown ourkids, how to train them, how to play and Hin the matches are kind of theirblitz as they're not really matches, or you know, properly program or they're,just kind of festival and at the end of it there's you know everyone's kind ofclapped off and enders. You know sandwiches and sweetes up in the forall of the kids, but theire blittens and the natfiliocumin are playing against active this week, or you know this weekand next week we play against Haotonians or whoever, and so like t that thows me to be put inplace, but I think we just were trying to we're trying to coach the kids, thebasics of e of the game. Lik. They don't know I ont Nowif side. Is Theydon't know? They know the pass the ball backwards? They strue true itthat's.True, but, like you know, we but, like you know, comes thet. This,like you, get some you've get some. I guess spose likeevery sport, you get very enthusiastic DADS bus. They probably have't te cu,you know, but they just they. Just want what's best for their daughter or theirsons, and but they really don't have like. I remember having this discussion say with another father:WHOs would have an Interestin Rod. People wouldn't have much muchknowledge of ITITS CODLACT TAT and all he wants to do is tack, get the kids tointack him all he wants to do and I'm like. I want the kids to runaway from the tackle. I want them to run ther the first ball at their girlsand therefore they're not as big an a stram and ais powerful as boys. Sotherefore, let's use that and their evasiveness, rather than crashing into each other.So let's make it train, and the first thing that we want them to do is ruininto the gap. wherethere's two defenders Runte the gap instead ofrunning straight into the person in front of them and try and get this intohis brain. Was You know it? Just? I don't think I I don't actually haveconvinced Tomidic first thing: What do we do? We do we do some taklen practice. We do some skills that they know how topass the ball and when wou thow, a few bolls up in the air make sure they cancatch it instead of like tackling, of course, is important but like yeah, so you know, like sort ofcoaching, is very important. But again I EFU and Plickney Lenster have beenexcellent, like they organized courses, their seminars as loads of loads of elfam videos are availableonline. Like that's, you know you'rein. Well, I got I've got a session today.How am I God a? What am I going to do with the kids for an hour? You can goin there's huge number of videos that you can go in and it'll give you alittle like you've kind of you know the manyway in your mind, from when youplayed or listen to when training, but they kind of giveyou reminders and so tof o you put them into grids and do this drill and randjust there could be twenty an you go...

...ell. I use five of them, but they makethem fun because the end of the day, the kids are quite young and they canbe, you know they can kind of loseconcentration, so they kind of make them fun and interesting, and but itkind of gives them that Tou're still getting used to passing the ball behindthem. That there's somebody on either side of them, or you know that t esomeone coming towards him so make it decision. They still get kids Tun. Theball forward. Bush you know like when we were playing was like Somn, so showsyou right. Give me ten pressups like ran on the coaching course ti was an islike that's the last thing you do. You don't want to make this trainingsession that they don't enjoy it, that theirarms are sore at the end of this yoy want to make it fun because you won ifthey come back next week and that's I suppose you know but like I suppose you kind of we rambled onthere for a lot. But you know it was a good chat, therwas Wen worth having jYeah Bul like I was disappointed to see an interview with Adam Griggs in theIris Ins ors times yesterday, where he said he was asked about who was incharge of running to the women's domestic game in roby and Ireland andhis answer to Comiste worth I couldn't tell you. It turns out to color macantabus. It was. It was sad to hear Adam griggs didn't know that now he's comeout, tostay and kind of clarified it and said he kind of backtracked andsaid: Oh well, I was under pressure and I wasn't sure- and I didn't want to name one person whenthere's a few people who are all contributing, but you know it's sort of he should know. I wouldhave thought he should have known that you know yeah it did it was. It was ait Wa it was. It was a poor situation. I mean to a certain extent. I mean compared to a lot of mour friends, Ja,you and I would have a monumentally interested in women'sRold, be o compared to a lot. A lot of our peers and friends who go to matcheswho probably never watchd a women's game and I'd be honest with I couldn't Havtold you he was incharanged with the Irish o domestic women's came in out.You know an and no I couldn't have, and I think that's that's you know on me as a supposed roule be found, but it'salso on the it's also the IFFE that the information isn't soeasily out there for for the women's game, because it's still within t theamater game, it tends to be a bit more nebuless harder to find thatinformation of yeah no yeah. That's that's very true too and like there's,you know thist kind of I suppose you kind of get silented alittle bit. You know he's just looking after her he's under pressure he'strying to coach e for the coision. Let's say at this point in tie at thistime of the year anyway. Yeah and like you know all he's concerned about is his day today focus of coaching. You know twenty five or thirty athletesto Tetria he's, obviously coaching at the very very highest level and tryingto manage his coach and team around Hem. But but like it's hard, it's hard to kind of it'shard to say what is the best option for the IRF Ou,like you hear some people say: Oh if they go professionam, I was interestedto hearing nee, Briggs kind of say well, like she's, a senior guard. You know if she was still playing aninternational level. whowould want to be for a few UNDERSTANDI kind ofmentioned. Avor Cermloya like just throw money aut it isn't going to bethe problem. I would rather see them say rise well, like just some brilliant.Like I said, I mentioned her name check, Larest, the rest of them Aldon andshe's great and very enthusiastic and the kids loveer, and she always bringsdown Irish players, but they want more of them. You know they were more. Was it likeI'd, roter Saey? If they've got a million quid s a atom guest, I don'tknow get twenty Larestan mdoons instead ofpaying fifty fifty grand to the to the players. Now, because that's a shortterm fix, that's you know, million quid is gone and, like you know, whoever isplaying for Arland. Okay, won't be there in five years. T or you know mostof them will be there. Ind Fivee Ardan Yearis time, so that money is kind ofgone, whereas if you cash twenty development officers, the outputthat they were Brin through all of the clubs in the country and Gon Roundschools and geting men and saying you know- been able to sort of knock on thehead master's door, AD, mter store and sex, we can get. You know we can dothis our program with your kids, Atil Supplementaup and you know. Ideally...

I don't think I can't say this. I can'tsee secondary schools becoming Wut we're going to play in this rubycompetition. You know like a junior coup, let' say it's En Jut. I just Ican't see that happening, but but what you want to do is exposed girls to theskalls and primary school, passing, kicking cast, pacast, passing, kickingpath, passing kicking catching and get them thow to those skills and then inconjunction with a club in their locality to have a facility that theyright. If you really like this sport, we will make the introductions for youand bring you down and come down with a few friends, and it's very welcoming aMonday night orfor choose ays whatever night, the club, trains and you'reunder fourteen you're going to be chick. This is your new team now and you getfour girls down from because they've enjoy in I in their school and theyjoin that club and they stayed in. You know they play under fourteen uner,fiteen sixteens, all the way up, unders structures in place that the that club plays against another club ona Saturday in a some sort of league match, and they you know they do thatevery week for twenty weeks against other clubs and eventually you know the standards will improve,and then you might even get a seconds team out of der Third Team Agness, thuslike yo're still at the infancy stages, where we're just trying to get women'sRoombe off the ground in a lot of clubs. It's far from you know, uvers able to bee able to say oh oryeah any of those women that were playing playin, that, like biggestaccusation of a double like withtalking, about Duban Ga, because they're kind oflike the local Bohemus- and we see it in our area- is about it's not so much that Dubleimhave a huge amount of money. It's a Dubleind have a huge ano mony to spendgames promotion officers. If you listen to any the complaints about doublingover the lat since that, since they wonthe the Arad. It's a it's about how much money they have tospend on gate, proosion, APS and thegait Omotion Aperes, a the larissimodunes, etc of the GA O case. or we see that are we see it with beside bridgetsand we say we has ae Mack. I mean you've got any public pack in tofifteen on a Saturday morng and it looks like it like a like an explosion,an a o, neels factor there. So many kids run around the place playing andthat's where the money has to be sern. I, like I agree with you hole, lively.You can't build a I pyramid from the top. You have to build it from thebottom and the best investment in sport. Not. I have no objection to the international players receiving a Cypon,stipein, torabersary or whatever, but the money has to go into it: Hastogolatto development officers and reagional development officers and fomiliarlyDevelopweth officers, and making sure that guys, like you, the volunteers inthe clubs making sure that they get the training they get the access to thepassport site. The were roing fast words like now that kind stuf, so that when I, when you get a situation whenyou reach a critical mass you've, a bunch of players coming into thenational team, we've all been playing Robie, since they were six seven, eight,nine ten and you might be in a position to Saye the game professional then yeahwere like yeah, you know, but like yeah, I just I just was O was justlaughing to myself. Then Wel, you could play these kind of at theoperatial andbut if they get injured, there's no one coming behind them. Yeah, you know,invest in the kids coming true now and you wile continued to have, andeventually you might get to the stage where there's forxactly and that there is, I mean youknow it is the fastest growing sport in the world. His women's role be by theway really yeah yeah. It is. I me now, if pobably, some sort of statistic thatis easily manipulating. I think I think a times at one point or another, but Imean if you look at right, how long it took men and ow. Obviously there was awhole cultural thing, but men's Rog. We didn't really go properly professionaluntil I mean we know it met open in ninety five, but it wasn't really untilyou know two thousand Midtosan that a professional game, as we know it was,was an evolved thing and that took out that's over a hundredand fifty years, two hundred years of Ruby, so I'm not suggesting at the women's game,should be made wait that long and I would never suggest that, but I dothink that if there's money to spend in Iris rull be on women's Roldbe, thatthe best place to spend is at the base of the pyramid. Yep hold artually, agree, iridly, agreeand you know wellwe think we should have astipe in deraversary for the senior internationals yeah. But like again, Ithink we need to be careful about tha or something yeah. Bcthey do need to becareful for that, because you know the certain players are gon ar on verywell. You know, like everyone or well...

...paid and Ithas to be, like I mean you can kindof say, like the IFU went down the road of say, making the Sevenh Professional,but the sevens were predominantly made up of girls in ther, late, teens early S, andyou know when a smaller salary is quite attractive, as you move through yourTis, that small salarye becomes less less attract, and particularly theamount like it sounds. Amazing go no. What we're playing the REO sevens thisweek and we're in the Las Vegas Sevens next week and remember in Paris andThet we're back over to wherever, like that ends a very sexy lifestyle Bushyou know, you're living in a hotel room you'e not really seen much of the placeas and you don't have a lot of cash to come when you come home from us and allyour peers are all their careers are starting to take off as they get alittle bit older. It's it. You know, I'd say that that sexionest would wearoff very quickly. You know after three or four years of I but like we do see.Sayjus stacy flood and Amla Murphy Crow have come into the team this week fromthe seventh pro gram and they've, actually like you, Teker Amele has replaced. One of the girls is blame for say likeso just four girls saying that theyare in this squad, who were playing over inEngland in the they professionally and they've,dropped two of the professionals. This week, they've dropped to the winger and they've dropped ClairMaloy. So you know I thought that was quiteinteresting, particularly with that debase abouse, paying the playerspaying the players Tor like I'm, not saying that they shouldn't becompensated, and but I would just say that if you've got a limited about ofmoney to spend that money should be spent up the bottom rater an a hundredpercent agree. I what you're saying yeah okay, I think we've kind of we've-probably Fokd by that for for a little bit toolong for we for a lot of people ot. My Coaching Pos, one coach that hisslightly better than me is Roe. An nogara he's. Just a little bit I don't mind sayingitive, I don't mindsaying it if you, if you're confrorble with it well, he he got a. He has a bitof a jump. Star he's got a few more years, just anconting Jason, tecok CanoTop osicats. This exactly, but I see he's after getting thit opthe little power to Wanderis Havin, O no, no, no, no at all, so he is signed on from the three yearsof Larishel. So that's that's such a great move for himbecause he will know nobody in monster when hecomes back or Ireland. It's brilliant anment by the time hit that contractorsup Monsteril Hav, given van grand e tow end and the guy who comes in toactually fix all the stuff won' Tim. It still be two years so heanget all kind of stuff fixed. Then Ogarra can come in yeah. Wel No is good. I mean he w a it's always really hard to step fromone side of the white line to the other and, as you say by the time he comesback, I mean I don't know if you will iodu to a certain extent, it isinevitable. I think that you come back to coach once or but by the time hecomes back to be. Nobody left that he played with yeah. Isn't it amazing thatMark mccaw is never included in the conversation? Yeah Ei mean okay, like we've all gotour views on Syrasens because there were our biggest ribe for a cup for a coupleof years right but like he was the most successfulIrish coach for Fecond ages and he's never thought of as Beeng a potential,and even you know the whole marriage of is oits only amaed of time before pardyand Rog, polly and Rogr come back to coach Ireland like what about Leo Colum,the job he's done. You know at I say, macricarl between coachingand playing probably has more metals than Rog andPala conwell combined yeah could Hav Don Hedin ad andAmamacar didn't win too many playing N to Catic Leagues, I think Fraslayr.Wouldn't he etinmy one matur of two ut, certainly one, but you know you knowwhat I mean like yeah. We want, he did win a Hinikncook medal. He was injuredfor the final tumber. U He play N...

Housand Nine Hntrye ine your right, yeryeah, but, like I think, was he coaching in Oh six and they want us.Yeah Yeathey want the caute pleague and the when the Cartin E as coach downWasn' me yeah. Well, look I mean he's never apartofthe like I as just but Isaw that Jono Gibbs is gone to Carmot and I'm maybe I'm just trying to graspat strows. I hope that kindo would that ofpossibly have created a little bit of friction within the Larachel side. I don't think so. The use of that inFron in France, France, the the movement between clubs, is muchmore similar to fo to soccer than it is to moveintbetween clubs and Ireland and England. It happens for regularly and for muchso I don't think I don't think it would be something that would mation twice tobe honest with you fair enough, fair enough, well way, Dave. I think we'vespokef her a long enough unless Yo an onols, I didn't have that Jon Nellehere otherwise wed be here all mit anyway, thanks very much thanks verymuch for watching. If you are IA, if Donn is watching, this he's probably is pobs opening e Cin, so es pobably inthe in the city, arms now ist e, probably that Se Yeah Yeh no jerseys inConre Jersey, hes, Dont Lov, where his PADOF Jaers yeah er his patro beon oris par to Ese. One, absolutely anway boys. If you are aFolowin, spacasbook, twister or Sueone WATC. I Youtube. Please give us a subscription.I, like and thorms of thanksmilling chairs.

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